{"id":5415,"date":"2022-11-21T14:22:55","date_gmt":"2022-11-21T14:22:55","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/localization.news\/uncategorized\/fool-post-editing-vagy-letezik-full-post-editing\/"},"modified":"2023-01-27T12:05:16","modified_gmt":"2023-01-27T12:05:16","slug":"fool-post-editing-vagy-letezik-full-post-editing","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/localization.news\/hu\/technologia\/fool-post-editing-vagy-letezik-full-post-editing\/","title":{"rendered":"&#8222;Fool Post-editing&#8221;, vagy l\u00e9tezik &#8222;Full Post-Editing&#8221;?"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p><a href=\"#Machine Translation Disclaimer\">\ud83d\udcacMT &#8211; G\u00e9pi ford\u00edt\u00e1s<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Jakub Absolon \u00far h\u00fasz \u00e9ve vezeti az <a href=\"https:\/\/asap-translation.com\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">ASAP ford\u00edt\u00f3irod\u00e1t<\/a>. Rajong az \u00faj technol\u00f3gi\u00e1k\u00e9rt, \u00e9s a g\u00e9pi ford\u00edt\u00e1s ut\u00f3szerkeszt\u00e9s\u00e9b\u0151l doktor\u00e1lt. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p> <a href=\"https:\/\/youtu.be\/ldDJ5FcVjlk\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Leg\u00fajabb vide\u00f3j\u00e1ban<\/a> Jakub Absolon \u00far,<strong> <\/strong>az ASAP ford\u00edt\u00f3iroda igazgat\u00f3ja a Full Post-Editing t\u00e9m\u00e1j\u00e1val foglalkozik. A vide\u00f3 elej\u00e9n egy fontos k\u00e9rd\u00e9st tesz fel: &#8222;Volt m\u00e1r olyan \u00fcgyf\u00e9l, aki MT ford\u00edt\u00e1s ut\u00f3szerkeszt\u00e9si k\u00e9r\u00e9ssel fordult \u00d6nh\u00f6z, \u00e9s amikor megk\u00e9rdezte, hogy milyen min\u0151s\u00e9g\u0171 kimeneti sz\u00f6vegre van sz\u00fcks\u00e9ge, azt mondta, hogy &#8222;Full Post-Editing&#8221;, azaz a ford\u00edt\u00e1snak k\u00f6zel\u00edtenie kell az emberi ford\u00edt\u00e1s min\u0151s\u00e9g\u00e9hez?&#8221;.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Ha igen, tal\u00e1n \u00d6n is elgondolkodott m\u00e1r azon, hogy mi a k\u00fcl\u00f6nbs\u00e9g a ford\u00edt\u00e1s, az \u00fagynevezett emberi ford\u00edt\u00e1s \u00e9s a teljes ut\u00f3szerkeszt\u00e9s k\u00f6z\u00f6tt. Hasonl\u00edtsuk \u00f6ssze a ford\u00edt\u00e1s elk\u00e9sz\u00edt\u00e9s\u00e9nek folyamat\u00e1t mindk\u00e9t esetben. Hasonl\u00edtsuk \u00f6ssze a ford\u00edt\u00e1s elk\u00e9sz\u00edt\u00e9s\u00e9nek folyamat\u00e1t mindk\u00e9t esetben.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-full is-resized\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/localization.news\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/11\/Snimka-obrazovky-2022-11-21-141150.png\" alt=\"ut\u00f3szerkeszt\u00e9s\" class=\"wp-image-5353\" width=\"1023\" height=\"530\" srcset=\"https:\/\/localization.news\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/11\/Snimka-obrazovky-2022-11-21-141150.png 845w, https:\/\/localization.news\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/11\/Snimka-obrazovky-2022-11-21-141150-300x156.png 300w, https:\/\/localization.news\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/11\/Snimka-obrazovky-2022-11-21-141150-768x398.png 768w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1023px) 100vw, 1023px\" \/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>Az eg\u00e9sz k\u00fcl\u00f6nbs\u00e9g teh\u00e1t abban \u00e1ll, hogy az egyik eredm\u00e9nyt &#8222;HT&#8221;-nak, a m\u00e1sikat &#8222;majdnem HT&#8221;-nak nevezz\u00fck, de senki sem tudja, mit jelent a &#8222;majdnem&#8221; sz\u00f3. A sz\u00f6veget ugyanaz a szem\u00e9ly ford\u00edtja ugyanazokkal az eszk\u00f6z\u00f6kkel, \u00e9s az elv\u00e1rt min\u0151s\u00e9g tulajdonk\u00e9ppen ugyanaz. Az egyetlen k\u00fcl\u00f6nbs\u00e9g a ford\u00edt\u00e1s \u00e1ra. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Absolon \u00far \u00fagy v\u00e9li, hogy mindenki \u00e9szreveszi, hogy nem vitatja az MT el\u0151nyeit, \u00e9s azt sem \u00e1ll\u00edtja, hogy az ut\u00f3lagos szerkeszt\u00e9s nem l\u00e9tezik. Az ut\u00f3lagos szerkeszt\u00e9s a kritikus hib\u00e1k elt\u00e1vol\u00edt\u00e1sa az MT-kimenetb\u0151l, pontosan meghat\u00e1rozott min\u0151s\u00e9gi k\u00f6vetelm\u00e9nyeket felt\u00e9telezve. A ford\u00edt\u00f3nak vagy az ut\u00f3szerkeszt\u0151nek pontos utas\u00edt\u00e1sai vannak arra vonatkoz\u00f3an, hogy milyen hib\u00e1kat kell \u00e9szrevenni \u00e9s kijav\u00edtani. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed is-type-video is-provider-youtube wp-block-embed-youtube wp-embed-aspect-16-9 wp-has-aspect-ratio\"><div class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\n<iframe loading=\"lazy\" title=\"Fool PEMT\" width=\"1320\" height=\"743\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/ldDJ5FcVjlk?feature=oembed\" frameborder=\"0\" allow=\"accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture\" allowfullscreen><\/iframe>\n<\/div><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"has-huge-font-size wp-block-heading\" id=\"h-hogyan-oszthato-fel-a-forditas-az-mt-hasznalata-szempontjabol\">Hogyan oszthat\u00f3 fel a ford\u00edt\u00e1s az MT haszn\u00e1lata szempontj\u00e1b\u00f3l?<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p>1 MT &#8211; Az MT durva kimenete \u00e1ll rendelkez\u00e9s\u00fcnkre, \u00e9s ezt a ford\u00edt\u00e1st senki sem szerkesztette. Ez\u00e9rt nem tudjuk garant\u00e1lni a min\u0151s\u00e9g\u00e9t.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>2 PEMT &#8211; MT el\u0151re leford\u00edtott sz\u00f6veg, a ford\u00edt\u00f3 \u00e1ltal szerkesztve. A ford\u00edt\u00f3 az \u00fcgyf\u00e9l k\u00e9r\u00e9s\u00e9nek megfelel\u0151en pontosan meghat\u00e1rozott hib\u00e1kat t\u00e1vol\u00edt el. Egy ilyen ford\u00edt\u00e1s 90%-ban nem tartalmazhat kritikus hib\u00e1kat, de az alacsony \u00e1r \u00e9s a nagy sebess\u00e9g k\u00f6vetelm\u00e9ny\u00e9nek val\u00f3 megfelel\u00e9s \u00e9rdek\u00e9ben m\u00e9g mindig van egy bizonyos &#8222;es\u00e9ly&#8221; arra, hogy valamilyen nem stilisztikai hiba el\u0151fordul, m\u00e9g ha a kock\u00e1zat l\u00e9nyegesen kisebb is, mint az MT eset\u00e9ben.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>3 Emberi ford\u00edt\u00e1s &#8211; olyan sz\u00f6veg, amelyet hivat\u00e1sos ford\u00edt\u00f3 ford\u00edt, aki munk\u00e1ja sor\u00e1n korszer\u0171 ford\u00edt\u00e1si forr\u00e1sokat haszn\u00e1l, bele\u00e9rtve a TM-et, a TB-t \u00e9s a MT-t.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"has-huge-font-size wp-block-heading\" id=\"h-ami-az-arat-illeti-termeszetes-hogy\">Ami az \u00e1rat illeti, term\u00e9szetes, hogy&#8230;<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p>Az MT a ford\u00edt\u00e1s legolcs\u00f3bb form\u00e1ja, mivel ez a leggyorsabb, a ford\u00edt\u00e1s elk\u00e9sz\u00edt\u00e9s\u00e9hez sz\u00fcks\u00e9ges legalacsonyabb bemeneti k\u00f6lts\u00e9gekkel j\u00e1r, \u00e9s mindenekel\u0151tt &#8222;senki&#8221; nem felel\u0151s a leford\u00edtott sz\u00f6veg\u00e9rt.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>A PEMT k\u00f6vetkezik, mivel az ilyen szolg\u00e1ltat\u00e1s ig\u00e9nybev\u00e9tel\u00e9nek oka az \u00e1rcs\u00f6kkent\u00e9s \u00e9s a gyorsabb sz\u00e1ll\u00edt\u00e1si id\u0151. A ford\u00edt\u00f3 m\u00e1r felel\u0151ss\u00e9ggel tartozik az eredm\u00e9ny\u00e9rt, de ez semmik\u00e9ppen sem lehet ugyanaz, mint egy hagyom\u00e1nyos ford\u00edt\u00e1s eset\u00e9ben.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>H\u00e9tk\u00f6znapi ford\u00edt\u00e1s eset\u00e9n, azaz az \u00fan. HT-\u00e1r mindig alkuk\u00e9pes, \u00e9s a ford\u00edt\u00f3 figyelembe veheti pl. az ism\u00e9tl\u0151d\u0151 sz\u00f6veget, de nyilv\u00e1nval\u00f3an j\u00f3 MT-eredm\u00e9nyek eset\u00e9n is figyelembe vehet\u0151 a felt\u00e9telezett gyorsabb ford\u00edt\u00e1si temp\u00f3. A TM-b\u0151l sz\u00e1rmaz\u00f3 100%-os egyez\u00e9sekkel ellent\u00e9tben az MT min\u0151s\u00e9ge csak felt\u00e9telez\u00e9sen alapul, ez\u00e9rt m\u00e9g az esetlegesen elfogadott kedvezm\u00e9ny is csak becsl\u00e9sen, illetve az el\u0151re leford\u00edtott sz\u00f6veg mint\u00e1j\u00e1n alapul. M\u00e9g a minta sem \u00e1rulja el pontosan, hogyan fog viselkedni a k\u00f6vetkez\u0151 sz\u00f6veg. Azonban ipar\u00e1gunkban m\u00e1r megszoktuk, hogy a TM-b\u0151l sz\u00e1rmaz\u00f3 Fuzzy Match-ekb\u0151l sz\u00e1rmaz\u00f3 kedvezm\u00e9nyekre vonatkoz\u00f3 hasonl\u00f3 becsl\u00e9sekhez vagyunk szokva, ahol szint\u00e9n nem tudjuk megj\u00f3solni, hogy a &#8222;fuzzy match&#8221; mennyire lesz hasznos a ford\u00edt\u00f3 sz\u00e1m\u00e1ra.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"h-kovetkeztetes\">K\u00f6vetkeztet\u00e9s<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p>Sz\u00e1mos felm\u00e9r\u00e9s szerint a legt\u00f6bb ford\u00edt\u00f3 a g\u00e9pi ford\u00edt\u00e1st haszn\u00e1lja munk\u00e1ja sor\u00e1n, \u00e9s ezzel nincs is semmi baj. A munk\u00e1juk min\u0151s\u00e9g\u00e9t a v\u00e9gs\u0151 ford\u00edt\u00e1s min\u0151s\u00e9ge alapj\u00e1n kell \u00e9rt\u00e9kelni, nem pedig a munka m\u00f3dja alapj\u00e1n. Munk\u00e1juk sor\u00e1n f\u0151k\u00e9nt \u00e1ltal\u00e1nos MT motorokat haszn\u00e1lnak. Ha az \u00fcgyf\u00e9l saj\u00e1t speci\u00e1lis MT-motort biztos\u00edt a ford\u00edt\u00e1shoz, amely l\u00e9nyegesen jobb eredm\u00e9nyeket \u00e9r el, hely\u00e9nval\u00f3 bizonyos p\u00e9nz\u00fcgyi ellent\u00e9telez\u00e9st k\u00f6vetelni ez\u00e9rt a szolg\u00e1ltat\u00e1s\u00e9rt. Azonban olyan win-win elvet fogunk alkalmazni, amely mindk\u00e9t f\u00e9l sz\u00e1m\u00e1ra el\u0151ny\u00f6s. Ha a megrendel\u0151 egy \u00e1ltal\u00e1nosan el\u00e9rhet\u0151 \u00e1ltal\u00e1nos MT-eszk\u00f6zt haszn\u00e1l, amely gyakran a ford\u00edt\u00f3 sz\u00e1m\u00e1ra is el\u00e9rhet\u0151, a sz\u00f6veg el\u0151zetes ford\u00edt\u00e1s\u00e1\u00e9rt j\u00e1r\u00f3 kompenz\u00e1ci\u00f3 nem megfelel\u0151.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>K\u00e9rj\u00fck, ne k\u00e9rd\u0151jelezze meg az MT haszn\u00e1lat\u00e1t, ahogyan azt n\u00e9h\u00e1ny \u00e9vvel ezel\u0151tt sok ford\u00edt\u00f3 tette a TM technol\u00f3gi\u00e1val. MT itt van, ez egy kiv\u00e1l\u00f3 t\u00e1rs a ford\u00edt\u00f3k \u00e9s a gyors \u00e9s olcs\u00f3 ford\u00edt\u00e1sokat ig\u00e9nyl\u0151 \u00fcgyfelek sz\u00e1m\u00e1ra. V\u00e9dekezz\u00fcnk azonban az ellen, hogy megpr\u00f3b\u00e1lnak minket arra k\u00e9nyszer\u00edteni, hogy felel\u0151ss\u00e9get v\u00e1llaljunk az \u00fagynevezett ford\u00edt\u00e1sok\u00e9rt, \u00e9s v\u00e9dekezz\u00fcnk az ellen, hogy valaki egy ford\u00edt\u00e1st, amely\u00e9rt teljes m\u00e9rt\u00e9kben mi vagyunk felel\u0151sek, MT ut\u00f3szerkeszt\u00e9snek nevezzen, csak az\u00e9rt, mert valaki az &#8222;el\u0151ford\u00edt\u00e1s&#8221; funkci\u00f3t haszn\u00e1lta. Ez\u00e9rt tal\u00e1n jobb lenne ezt a szolg\u00e1ltat\u00e1st &#8222;Bolond ut\u00f3szerkeszt\u00e9snek&#8221; nevezni.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Tov\u00e1bbi cikkek\u00e9rt tekintse meg <a href=\"https:\/\/localization.news\/hu\/hirek-a-lokalizacio-vilagabol\/\">oldalunkat<\/a>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong><em><a name=\"Machine Translation Disclaimer\"><\/a><\/em><\/strong><a name=\"Machine Translation Disclaimer\"><span class=\"has-inline-color has-herald-acc-color\">G\u00e9pi ford\u00edt\u00e1<\/span>ra<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><mark style=\"background-color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 0)\" class=\"has-inline-color has-herald-acc-color\"><em><strong>G\u00e9pi ford\u00edt\u00e1sra vonatkoz\u00f3 felel\u0151ss\u00e9g kiz\u00e1r\u00e1sa<\/strong><br>Ez a ford\u00edt\u00e1s teljesen automatiz\u00e1lt g\u00e9pi ford\u00edt\u00f3eszk\u00f6z seg\u00edts\u00e9g\u00e9vel k\u00e9sz\u00fclt annak \u00e9rdek\u00e9ben, hogy \u00d6n alapinform\u00e1ci\u00f3t kapjon a sz\u00f6veg tartalm\u00e1r\u00f3l az \u00d6n \u00e1ltal besz\u00e9lt nyelven. 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